יום שבת, 30 במרץ 2019

מצביעי פייגלין

מצביעי פייגלין
מאיפה יש לפייגלין 4 מנדטים ?
זה מתחלק לקבוצות הבאות:
1. הסטלנים, אחד מנדט. אלו אנשים שאומרים, לא אכפת לי ולא מענין אותי מכלום, לא מצב בטחוני, לא שלום או מלחמה, לא כלכלה, לא סוציאליזם ולא קפיטליזם, תן לי רק לעשן בשקט. לגבי כל היתר, שאחיריחם ידאגו, לא קורא, לא מתענין, אפאטי ופאטליסט.
2. ליברטריאנים שמאלנים מבחינה מדינית. ימין כלכלי, שמאל מדיני, בעד החזרת השטחים..  חצי מנדט. נכון אני נגד מדינת הלכה, חילוני אתאיסט, בעד זכויות הפרט, להט"ב וכד' אבל לא מאמין שהוא יוכל לפעול בענין, מצביע לו בגלל המצע הליברטריאני, האולטרא קפיטליסטי.
3.ליברטריאנים ימנים ודתיים. חצי מנדט.ימין מדיני וכלכלי. מתאים להם בול, מדינת הלכה, בית מקדש, גירוש הערבים וכלכלה  ליברטריאנית. זו באמת הקבוצה שבדיוק חושבת כמו פייגלין, שהמצע המניפולטיבי שלו אינו הטעיה חלקלקה מולם.תת קבוצה של קבוצה 3, רק ימין חילוני ולא דתי מבחינה מדינית.נגד ויתורים לערבים, בית המקדש לא מענין אותם.

 4. הטרנדיסטים. מנדט.  תשמע, פייגלין זה טרנד, כולם נוכלים ושקרנים, אז נצביע מחאה נגד כל הממסד, הוא אנטי ממסדי והוא טרנדי, חצי מהגדוד שלי מצביע בשבילו,אלו בעיקר צעירים, נאיבים, חסרי נסיון, ידע או יכולת העמקה שנסחפים בגל חברתי. בטוויטר מורה בתיכון בחיפה סיפרה שבשיעור חברה גילתה ש28 מתוך 35 תלמידי יא3 בבית הספר היו מצביעים לפייגלין. היא ניסתה לברר מה המקור והתברר שאבא אחד של תלמיד אחד שכנע את הבן שלו, לא נשמע קשה... והבן שיכנע בקלות עוד 30 בני נוער בני 17. כולם מקדלמים בביטחון וחשיבות עצמית של מי שגילוי את האמת הניצחית סיסמאות שטחיות, פשטניות, נבובות וחסרות הגיון. לא חסרים כאלו גם אחרי גיל 18. מעבר ל 30 השטחיות הנבובה הולכת ויורדת עם חוכמת החיים.
5.התומכים של רונית דרור. חצי מנדט. רונית דרור עושה עבודת קודש בענין זכויות גברים בגירושיןן נגד תלונות שווא, הגינות במזונות ונגד הפמיניזם הרדיקלי ,לרבות התנגדות לחוק ההפללה .אלו אנשיחם שיצביעו רק על הנושא הזה.
6. בתור בדיחה. חצי מנדט. במילא הכל בדיחה אז הוא נכניס בדיחה לכנסת. הצבעה צינית .חלקם יגידו שאיפה שגדי וילצ'רסקי נמצא לשם הם יצביעו.
7. לא מבין בזה, אבל חבר שלי,/אח שלי/דוד שלי שכנע אותי. אל תשאל למה, לא יודע להסביר. חצי מנדט.
הוא גם אמר לפני יומיים" בנתיים אני לא מועמד לראש הממשלה" כדי להצדיק את דימוי המגלומן... הוא מנסה להתגלץ פנימה על נושאי הקנאביס והחופש הכלכלי, היתר יצא החוצה כשיצבור כח, כך אני מעריך....
ב- מרץ 30, 2019   
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010419
11:45

טרור בישראל:


The Dizengoff Street bus bombing was a Hamas suicide attack on a passenger bus driving down Dizengoff Street in Tel Aviv in 1994. Twenty-two civilians were killed and 50 were injured.


https://twitter.com/Danicoh42661865/status/1111253401810227201




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הערבים ב 1948:
"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades."Azzam Pasha,Secretary General of the Arab League May 15,1947 BBC broadcast. Myths and Facts: A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict:Mitchell Bard


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הערבים רוצים להשמיד את ישראל

The Palestinians are saying it openly that they don't want peace with Israel.



They will fight unlit Israel is completly destroyed.

On the whole territory they will built a muslim
religious state where only arab muslims will live.





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סופם של היהודים לאחר חורבן ישראל:

What are they planing to do with the 6.5 million Jews ? They state this that Hitler is their insparation.
The Solution will be to murder, extermination, to genodice 6.5 million Jews including 1.5 million children

People should learn the situation more in deph befor they belive this propoganda.
Hammas nation convenent is an anti semite document containg quotes from main kamp and the protocols of the elders of zion. Classical Antisemitism.
https://twitter.com/smythe_johan/status/1111233889345986562

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מטרת הערבים לאחר השמדת ישראל:



It's not something someone said 70+ years ago, it's consistent ideaology of calling for destruction , annihilation from the area and sometime genocide of all the Jews, written in national documents and thought at schools and practiced iv countless masaceres of Jewish children.
https://twitter.com/Danicoh42661865/status/1111251554122768389
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מחבלים מתאבדים:


Massacres of Jewish babies by Palestnians:
here is a small number of such attacks out of many more:
https://twitter.com/Danicoh42661865/status/1111251826266066944

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ראש המסגד בניו זילנד הוא אנטישמי:


I wonder if any body on the left would like to condem this to:

Head of the mosque that was attacked claimed Israel is behind the NZ mosque attack and the Jewish community in NZ funded it...
https://twitter.com/johnpaulpagano/status/1110579872932552706?s=19







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טרור איסלמי בכל העולם:


Some one who reads you might think Muslims  are just victims while they kill christian minorities in many countries, did terror attacks in London,Paris,Berlin ext ans don't stop murder one another, Shia v. Sunni, one section against another ext.

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עזה:

1. this is not civil protest, they are fiering at the Israeli soldiers.
2. What they want is not cease fire, they want Israel to lift partial blockade and will be alloud to continue freely fire rockets.
3. The blockade is partial and many goods get through.





4. Gaza have a border with Egypt, even Egypt can't stand those baby murderes' Hamas, nazis, and don't open the border.

Israel constantly negotiate cease fire wuth Hamas,they stop firing and Israel lift the partial blockade. How does that fit in you one sided narrative


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טרור איסלמי

https://www.breitbart.com/africa/2019/03/16/nigerian-muslim-militants-kill-120-christians-three-weeks/



The New Zealnd massacre is a horrible act of racist terror and the shotter, a white racist, need to get death sentence. At the same time i expect progressive student to demonstrate about the recent death toll of Christians in Nigeria that has reached 120 with this week’s slaughter of over 50 by Fulani Muslim militants.
And i wonder why weren't they demonstrating whem Islamic militants murdered people in London,Paris,Berlin and other places in Europe in recent years.

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Nigerian Muslim Militants Kill 120 Christians in Three Weeks | Breitbart





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למה היהודים הגיעו לישראל

 As i mentioned, firsts Jews were persecuted in East Eurpoe,that the british and other western countries told then they can't immigrate there, we give you ther Balfor declaration, go to Palestine, than desparte Jews escaped there and then the Arabs got mad.That is the right order.


I do not deny the Palestinian narrative just asking an objective

 look that will remember the Jewish narrative also.

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הנכבה היהודית:
Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries …



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הטבח בחברון:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre …

1929 Hebron massacre



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המרד הערבי



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine …
1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine
Thet opposed it to the point of all out revolt 
and the british army  suppressed that revolt.

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הציונות אינה קולוניליזם:


So zioniszm is not like the story of british migrating to America, African colony,Australia  at the expense of the indegenose people. 
It's a story of persecuted people in easrt Europe
 that the western world didn't want to accept
 and  instead gave them the Balfor declaration.


Of all the Jews that came to in Israel since 19882 until 1960y, 80% were refugees who escaped persecution,
 left homes and lives just to survive. only 20% were 
ideological Zionists who came because of ideology.

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העליה החמישית:


A good example of that is fifth aliya:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Aliyah …


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הבנה:


.This whole thing is a terrible tragedy, as *both* sides can't care about the other side tragedy . But i want to live and if i think they will destroy Israel completly if they
 can 'i will not take much risk. I don't hate' i am just scared.

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האמנה הפלסטינית:



It’s written in PLO national convention and Hamas covenent. 
Basic ideological documents. No Jew will be allowed to stay.




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הנכבה:


About Balfur. Don't single 
out Zionism out of the whole historical context...
look at all the border changes in Europe in the 20th century and the peoples, transfers ext. Even check how 
Texas and California stoped been part of Mexico.   :-)


Independence, population transfer, and violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India#Independence,_population_transfer,_and_violence …
Flight and expulsion of Germans (1944–50)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%9350) …
Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries …
DON'T PLAY NAIVE BY LOOKING AT THIS OUTSIDE GENERAL CONTEXT.


Thts wat's cunning .History is crul and brutal'
 wverywhere .You single ourt the Jews, ignoring others and 
context of things. That's the plaing naive antisemitism....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer …

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union …

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_population_transfers_(1944%E2%80%931946) …

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi%E2%80%93Soviet_population_transfers …

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/forced-population-transfers.htm …


This is what happend in Europe with 25 states 
and many in Asia’ and no where are countries trying to
 reverse History .So this war will go on forever .ן know this



This is the only think they all agree about. They live in 1948, they want to reverse history. In oher places where land changed hand and population moved after ww2 ( and also after ww1) in was forgotten .Not the Palestinians.They never
 look to the future 'just to reverse the past

Bosnia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_War#/media/File:Ethnic_makeup_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina_before_and_after_the_war.jpg


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הפיתרון:


This is tragedy for both sdes. You want war forever' that is what will be .Two states based on 1967 is the only possible solution and no right of return. When Israel win they are under 
occupation' if they win there will be a genocude

If they will accept Israel in it's 1967 borders they will get indipence in most of the west bank. In gaza they are 
free from Israekl' A state in the west bank as a base for 
another attack is nor something Israel will accept.


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תיאורית האנשים הרגילים:



 the ordinary man theory of pro. Cristofer Browning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Browning#Ordinary_Men …


In dictatorial societies' what individual think doesn't matter. al so in Hitler
 times there were anti nazi germans' It didn't matter
 .Any palestniian in gaze  that will say he want peace with 
israel' he and his children will be shoot immidiatly.

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זכות השיבה:


They will never sighn a peace aggrement without the right of return.That in itself is the end of Israel even in the pre 1967 borders. and that is the fisical end of it's Jewish population 
thoght some would be fefugees in Europe.


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משפחה:

My father fled Romania in sep.1939 to british controlled Israel-Palestine that's the only reason he and his parents  survived. So for me the Balfor declartion is why my parents
 were not murdered at a young age. I an aware of the 
price the Palestinians paid for Jewish liberation



My mother fled Poland as a young girl in 1938 ,miraculasly,and to british controlled Israel-Palestine, that's the only reason she survived while
 all her family were murdered in the holocaust.


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הנאיביות:


What Omar isn't saying is that the Palestnians want to destroy Israel completly
,create on all the territory an Islamic-arab ethnic state and all the Jews, 7million will be expeled as fefuges or murdered in a genocide.This makes the Israeli positions look diffrent in that context.


She never reffers to the question doe's the Palestnians accept the presence of Jews in Palestine-Israel. This is how she is taking the Israeli actions out of context.
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איפק:

AIPAC

  SOME PROPRTIONS IN THESE LINKS
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indusclient.php?id=Q05
Total for Pro-Israel: $5,022,028
Oher lobbies:
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=i
https://www.statista.com/.../top-lobbying-industries-in.../
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php...
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=s...

H 
 Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $4,063,737,166
Insurance $2,782,732,048
Electric Utilities $2,413,799,830
Electronics Mfg & Equip $2,299,912,534
Business Associations $2,292,008,086
Oil & Gas $2,158,090,191
Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $1,737,626,130
Education $1,670,454,258
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $1,654,263,950
Securities & Investment $1,596,921,593
Real Estate $1,590,014,700
Telecom Services $1,584,261,872
Health Professionals $1,494,782,380
Civil Servants/Public Officials $1,476,210,047
Air Transport $1,438,241,363
Health Services/HMOs $1,138,979,355
Defense Aerospace $1,129,810,757
Automotive $1,124,929,699
Misc Issues $1,076,759,572
TV/Movies/Music $1,062,012,877
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ב- פברואר 15, 2019 

OMAR

Do I think that Congress woman Omar is Anti-Semitic? Yes she is.

Here are her tweets and comments:

“Israel has hypnotized the world; may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel”

During an Interview she said “To say that Israel is a ‘democracy’ makes her ‘chuckle’ “

The latest tweet: “AIPCA is paying American politicians to be pro-Israel”

Omar is a Muslim and supporter of the BDS. Obviously not much love to Israel to say the least.
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In total, there are more then 13000 lobbies groups in Washington.

Here is an example of how much some of them spent per year:

Exxon $11 million
Koch Industries - $10 million
Chevron - $9 million
American Petroleum - $7 million
NRA - $5 Millions

AIPCA spend $3.5 Million

Out of many of the groups in Washington, she picked up AIPCA to tweet against, and I love to know why? Yes I know.

The NRA lobby to protect your right to own guns.

AIPCA is lobbying to protect the State of Israel, that is to protect the Jews around the world.

There is no other explanation for why she targeted AIPCA if she is not an Anti-Semite, or hates the State of Israel.

I hope it’s her last term in Congress.

ב- פברואר 15, 2019 

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נסראללה:

התרומה שלי להסברה הישראלית. מצאתי את הסרטון הזה בדף הטוויטר של לוחם חיזבללה לבנוני והעליתי אותו ליוטיוב.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viaK3c0QYvc


  In May 2018, Hezbollah leader Nasrallah   said that after the "liberation of Palestine" , all of it, genocide would not be carried out against the Jews, but that "only" they would be required to leave Palestine and return to the countries from which  they or their  parents or grandparents came from. Only indigenous Jews of Palestine" will be allowed to remain. In thecommon meaning of this frase in the arab pollitical talk , it refers to  descendants of Jews whose fathers were in Palestine before 1882, the year of "the beginning of the Zionist invasion." This is about 1% of the Jews in Israel. All the rest would be expelled. He also said that The proposal to leave is  given to you in the language I propose to you to leave, and if you do not leave, there will soon be an apocaliptic war at the end of which "we will pray in "Jerusalem.If you read the manipulative language closely ,the double talk  you realize that the "promise' we will not Genocide all the jews, is only if they leave in their own will before the apoalyptic war.

נסראללה, מנהיג חיזבללה אומר בנאום במאי 2018 שאחרי שחרור פלסטין כולה, לא יבוצע רצח עם ביהודים, אלא "רק" הם ידרשו לעזוב את פלסטין וכל אחד יוחזר למדינה שממנה הוא או הוריו  או סביו באו. רק יהודים ילידים של פלסטין יורשו להשאר. בשפה המקובלת בעולם הערבי הכוונה לצאצאים של יהודים שאבותיהם היו בפלסטין לפני 1882, שנת "תחילת הפלישה הציונית" כלשונם. זה בערך 1% מהיהודים בישראל. גם ההצעה לחזור היא בלשון אני מציע לכם לעזוב ואם לא תעזבו תהיה בקרוב מלחמה גדולה שבסיומה "אנו נתפלל בירושלים".

אם  קוראים את השפה המניפולטיבית מקרוב, הדיבור הכפול  אתה מבין כי "ההבטחה" לא נבצע רצח עם של  כל היהודים, היא רק אם הם יעזבו מרצונם  שלהם לפני המלחמה אפוקליפטית....



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הם לא רוצים שלום עם ישראל.



בשני הסרטונים האלו ניגש הכתב לאזרחים פלסטינים אקראיים ברחוב בשטחי הרשות הפלסטינית ושאל אותם בהאם יסתפקו בשטחי 67 או שהפיתרון חייב להיות שחרור כל פלסטין. התשובה היא שאין שלום בלי שחרור יפו, חיפה, באר שבע וכד'. כל זה אדמה שלנו שנגזלה בכח.
לגבי מה יקרה אחרי שכל פלסטין תשוחרר, פלסטינים, גברים ונשים אומרים שאחרי שנשחרר את כל פלסטין נעשה ליהודים מה שהם עשו לנו ב 48, אחת אומרת שכל היהודים הם מהגרים וצריך להחזיר אותם לארצות המוצא שלהם, שלישית מגדילה לעשות ואומרת בגלוי שאחרי שחרור פלסתין נבצע רצח עם של כל היהודים.
הם לא יחידים והתשובות האלו אינן מקריות. זו המנטליות הערבית והתרבות שלהם, תרבות שעסוקה בכבוד וזכויות בכל מחיר,לשני אין בכלל זכויות מבחינתם. המילה שלום לא קיימת בכלל בלקסיקון אלא רק מלחמה עד להכנעה הסופית, כיבוש טוטלי ואז השמדת האויב. עבורם זה טבעי לחשוב ככה.
זו תרבות שלא שוכחת ונוקמת גם אחרי מאה שנה ומאז הנכבה ב 48 עברו רק 70 שנה. מבחינתם ב 48 היהודים כבשו, גזלו, השפילו, גרשו 700,000 פלסטינים מבתיהם והחריבו 550 כפרים. ואת זה מלמדים מגן הילדים עד האוניברסיטה.



Paslestians say all Jews will be expeled.





https://www.facebook.com/moshecohentlv/posts/387267242055928






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הם לא רוצים שלום עם ישראל.

The Palestinians are saying it openly that they don't want peace with Israel.
They will fight unlit Israel is completly destroyed.
On the whole territory they will built a muslim religious state where only arab muslims will live.
What are they planing to do with the 6.5 million Jews ? They state this that Hitler is their insparation.
The Solution will be to murder, extermination, to genodice 6.5 million Jews including 1.5 million children .There have beem countlees massacred done by  Palestinians against Jews and thousands of Jews were nurdered.
The Palestinians who died on the fence were terrorist hiding among the crowed planing attack at that moment  to kill soldiers
.Thw whole thing was designed to create respnses as we see here.
It's Hammas that don't allow to bring in good to Gaza in order to create delibaratly a humaniterian crisis.Israel has no interest in this.
A big lie.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passover_massacre


 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_civilian_casualties_in_the_Second_Intifada

 here is a small number of such attacks out of many more:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sbarro_restaurant_suicide_bombing

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caf%C3%A9_Moment_bombing


 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matzuva_attack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinarium_discotheque_massacre

 People should learn the situation more in deph befor they belive this propoganda.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_casualties_in_the_Second_Intifada



 Gaza has a border with Egept that Egypt closes.Why doe's Egypt close this ?Israel can not stop this if Egypt will want to .Just one thing to disprove the false narrative.


 Hammas nation convenent is an anti semite document containg quotes from main kamp and the protocols of the elders of zion. Classical Antisemitism.


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הסכם אוסלו ופסגת קמפ דיוויד:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#Accusations_of_Palestinian_responsibility

Israel offered a very resnable offer but Arafat wanted was at all cost.


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הפליטים:

  https://www.quora.com/Why-were-the-Palestinians-who-fled-the-fighting-during-the-1948-war-not-allowed-to-return-to-their-homes-afterwards-Would-doing-so-have-prevented-the-Palestinian-refugee-issue-we-see-today

 TDLR: Because it was a war, and Israelis are not saints, but human beings. They knew it was killed or be killed, and were not magnanimous in victory. And no, the refugee issue is artificially maintained.

The Palestinians who fled were viewed as the enemy, and there was little compassion for them.

"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades." Azzam Pasha, Secretary General of the Arab League. May 15, 1947 BBC broadcast. Myths and Facts: A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict: Mitchell G. Bard: 9780971294516: Online Shopping for Electronics, Apparel, Computers, Books, DVDs & more: Books

I mean, when one side promises a war of extermination and a momentous massacre if they win, do they really expect to be welcomed back if they lost?


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פרופורציונליות

disproportomate response 

disproportomate response:The only law here is not to harm civilians delibaratly.Israel doesn't target civilians delibaratlybecause they mix their soldiers with civilians' sometimes civilians are hit. They also inflate the civilian casualty num. by claiming soldiers were civilians.

 Apart from avoidinf civilian hit delibratly' there is no proportnality in war' in any war' you cant win war with propertionality. It's theories good only ehen you preach other in your safe home 5,000 milles away, no rockets on your home. You do antyhing agaist the enremy's army.

Was America was in Afganistan proportionate? Was russia's war in chechnya proprtiobate ? Was the us and britain proportionat in WW2 ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Berlin_in_World_War_II
Bombing_of_Berlin_in_World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
Bombing of Dresden in World War II

 Israel isn't doing that !! 


More about proportionaly:
https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Above-the-Fold-Israels-proportionate-response-558326

https://www.quora.com/What-would-be-an-Israeli-proportionate-response-to-the-continuous-bombardment-of-rockets-from-Gaza

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-Israel-government-so-disproportionate-in-their-use-of-violence-toward-Palestinians

https://www.quora.com/Would-a-proportional-response-have-been-for-Israel-to-fire-as-many-rockets-into-Gaza-as-Hamas-fired-into-Israel

https://www.quora.com/How-disproportional-was-Israels-Operation-Protective-Edge-compared-to-the-threat-of-Hamas-rockets

 https://www.quora.com/Israel-has-been-criticized-recently-for-having-a-disproportionate-response-to-Hamas-missile-attacks-Are-there-countries-which-have-shown-a-different-proportional-response-in-a-similar-situation


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אוסלו וקמפ דיוויד

 Settlements takes just 6% of the west bank after 48 years of building  Settlements and it's planed to take small part of the west bank. In 1993 Israel signed the Oslo accord, a road to peace aggrement, all we got ais a terrible terror war after 1993.We were tricked.  


In 1999 in the Kemp David summit Bark offered Arafat 91%of the territory and land echange of the rest.He didn't even answear.He started a terror campaine where 1,000 Jewish civilians were murdered including300 children between 2002-08 .Arafat Didn't even try to negotiate on this.

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מדינה אחת:


Could the Israelis and Palestinians live together in a single secular state that guaranteed both groups their rights? If not, why so?

https://www.quora.com/Could-the-Israelis-and-Palestinians-live-together-in-a-single-secular-state-that-guaranteed-both-groups-their-rights-If-not-why-so

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אנטישמיות



Indeed very terrible and must be condemed. I just wonder if you also condeme the Swastika Palestnian demonstrators used yesterday on the Gaza fence and in general the widesprede use of quotes from Main Kamp or are you just cheri picking what to condem.




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אורי אנסבכר

Ori Ansbacher, 19, murdered by Hamas terrorist in Jerusalem, 8 February 2019.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ori-ansbacher-19-named-as-jerusalem-murder-victim/



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הטרור:
Some one who reads you might think Muslims are just victims while they kill christian minorities in many countries, did terror attacks in London,Paris,Berlin ext ans don't stop murder one another, Shia v. Sunni, one section against another ext. 1. this is not civil protest, they are fiering at the Israeli soldiers. 2. What they want is not cease fire, they want Israel to lift partial blockade and will be alloud to continue freely fire rockets. 3. The blockade is partial and many goods get through. 4. Gaza have a border with Egypt, even Egypt can't stand those baby murderes' Hamas, nazis, and don't open the border.

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משפחת פוגל.

 Fogel family,Mother,Father and tree children murdered by Hams terrorist on march 2011 .

The victims of the attack. (Clockwise, from top left:) Ruth Fogel (35), Udi Fogel (36), Hadas (3 months), Yoav (11), Elad (4)



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חורבן ישראל:

I can easily give links to Palestnians saying we will libarate all of Palestine and then we will massacre 7 million Jews, we will Genocide all the Jews. The extemism, sne sided approach will only bring more bloodshed on both sides.

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גישה אוביקטיבית:
This is a tragic conflic of two people claiming the same land as their homeland. The solution is the two states solution. Both Jewish extremists and Palestnian extrimists need to be stoped if we want to end the terrible death of innocent Civilians on both sides to end.

 The dream of Jewish extrimists will not become reality but also Israel will not be destroyed and the Jews will be all expelled or murdered as Palestnian extremist wants.


atrocities & crimes against humanity were done mostly by the Palesnian side, but both side represent ligitimte claim for freedom and at the same time are guilty of refsing to accept the other side as ligit. All i want is that no one more Palrestnian or Jewish cvhild will die.

It will take both side to stop.


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Cherry picking terrible incidents on both side, some are deliberate, some are civilians accidentally hit in war zones is cunning, incitment and ignoring the broader picture and designed to cause hate that will influence emotionally people to accept one sided narrative.
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just google "the palestnian nationl covenent" and the "hamas charter"and read these documents. No Jew will be allowed to stay according to those documents. It's written. Ridiculous to deny. Youy can also deny the sun exist.

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 Practically if it will be possible even  Netanyahu will accept a a demilitarized Palestinian state on negotiated borders with no right of return to Israel. Right of return means there is no more Israel.


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The "colonial state"- 
a.
toward the end of the 19 century, in light of the rise of nationalism in all of Europe and the terrible persecution of the Jews in eastern Euope rose the movment of Zionism, which claims that the Jews should have their own state in their historic home during the days of the bible.
This movement didn't gain much support among the Jews or much seccess until after ww1 when the persecution increased and western nation like us and gb closed their border but after 1917, the Balfor drclration Israel-Palestine was the only place to escape.
And so many despate Jews escaped there.
Very undesrandably the local Palestinians oppose this.
It's a tragic conflic of two opposing narratives.

b.
You can not reverse history.
Many millions after ww2 became  refugees, and land transfered between countries.
Israel today is a county, home of 6.7 million Jews, most of them were born ther after 1948.

c.
In light of the hate and the unwillingness of the Arabs to live in peace with the Jews 'the only fair solution is the two states soultion based on the 1967 borders with minor changes as agreed in negotionation.Any thing else is a gareenty for more 100 years of terrible bloodshed on both sides.
This is tragic conflict where both side have a ligitimate claim and both side are guilty of not recognising the other side's right and the need to compromise.

d.
If the solution now is that Israel should cease to exist and all the Jews must leave than also all the Europeans in north and south Amrica, Australia, NZ ext should leave.
The fault for not achiving the compromise is not just on the Israeli side' there is terrible extremism on the Paslestinian side and horrific acts of terror against Jewish civilians.They say they will fight until not one Jew is left.


Palestine will be a super ethno state, i must be since this is their culure and beliefs.
So don't apply double standards... Any attemt to build a non ethno state for Jews and Palestnians together wwill end in a secound belfast or even a secound bSyria or Bosnia.

. Distinguish between the utopian desired and reality. Dont apply double standards.
article about Camp David.
The Arabs of Israel live well. The 1948 war was like all wars fought by nations ,Most states are ethno state. Arab and Muslim societies in particular.

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https://www.quora.com/Why-are-so-many-Israelis-against-a-Palestinian-state


Why are so many Israelis against a Palestinian state? Chaim Handler Chaim Handler Answered Mar 20 People who are anti-Israel or anti-Zionist often confuse me. The same people seem to, at times, think Palestine should have been founded as a bi-national State with a Jewish minority, and at other times insist that Israelis should support the establishment of an independent exclusively Arab Palestinian State, presumably within the "occupied territories". In truth the first time any Arabs promoted the idea of an independent Arab Palestinian State in the occupied territories was in 1993, when the Oslo Accords were signed. Prior to that the Arab position was very clearly expressed by the Arab League Khartoum Summit in 1967: "NO RECOGNITION, NO NEGOTIATION, NO PEACE!". If anything it was liberal leaning Israelis who promoted the idea of two states for two peoples. The confusion is really not that difficult to resolve. People who are anti-Israel or anti-Zionist generally believe that all of what was Mandatory Palestine is Arab territory and that Israel has no legitimate right to exist. And, from their point of view, the just outcome would be the elimination of Israel. But after over 70 years they have realized that the only path to that outcome is incremental. The first "increment" has been achieved. Prior to the first Intifada, in the mid-1980's there was virtually no delineation between the occupied territories and Israel. Palestinians and Jews were free to come and go as they wished. Arabs actually welcomed the commercial and employment opportunities the establishment of settlements provided. The violence of the Intifada began the process of division between Israelis and Palestinians that culminated in the establishment of the Palestinian Autonomy and Palestinian self-rule, as defined by the Oslo Accords. This process has been so successful that much of the world community has prematurely recognized the yet non-existent Palestinian State. The next increment is for the world community to impose upon Israel the Palestinian demand to grant to the Palestinian Authority full independent sovereignty in what are today the occupied territories. Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip is the perfect, small scale demonstration as to how the absence of Israeli forces will enable an independent, hostile government to become a serious threat, while seriously undermining Israel's ability to contend with that threat. One look at map and one can see how devastating a threat a hostile entity in the West Bank would pose. The West Bank is the core of the entire country and in possession of a hostile entity every major population center in Israel would be exposed to attack. Why then are Israelis opposed to the existence of a Palestinian State? Because they are those who will be exposing themselves to being attacked, and Hamas has done an excellent job demonstrating what being exposed to attack is like, thanks to their attacks against the communities near the Gaza Strip. And as yet few of those who support the existence of a Palestinian State, none of whom are Arab, much less Palestinian, have expressed the sentiment that the truly "just" outcome of the conflict would be anything other than a predominately Arab Palestinian State "from the river to the sea", ie. the elimination of the State of Israel. Supporting the establishment of a Palestinian State in the occupied territories does not preclude supporting the continuation of the struggle to liberate the remainder of Palestine once that Palestinian State exists. And no promises on paper can guarantee that Israeli appeasment will in fact lead to the Palestinians' resignation to renounce their claim to the remainder of what was Palestine and is now Israel.


 R.Richard Appelbaum 17h ago Total destruction of Israel is still very much alive in Palestinian ideology. This comes from Palestinian students I have taught at university. They have left because they are tired of the worn-out ideology that is going nowhere and not allowing them a better future. They told me they’d rather live in Israel than live in the past. -------------------------------- -
זה לא נכון שרק היהודים לא רוצים לחיות בשלום עם הפלסטינים.



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