Responsibility for the Naka is a different issue from the desgusing anti-Semite claim that the Nakba was a genocide.
About the justification for Zionism and what happened at the 1948 war:
There are very good answers on the Zionist side to the claim that Zionism is a "white colonial entity at the expense of the indigenous population," but the superficial thinking young ppl on TikTok, etc. will not listen or spend time to learn in-depth, they just join the social wave, which is progressive.
Zionism is not like the story of the British migrating to America, African colonies, and Australia, at the expense of the indigenous people.
It's a story of persecuted people in East Europe fleeing Nazis and others
that the Western world didn't want to accept and instead the British gave them the Balfour Declaration and directed them to Israel.
Of all the Jews that came to Israel from 1882 ( the year when the first zionist settlers came) until 1960, 80% were refugees who escaped persecution
and left homes and lives just to survive. only 20% were
ideological Zionists who came because of ideology.
A good example of that is fifth aliya:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Aliyah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Aliyah
Now they are called colonialists, ignoring the facts and circumstances.
Now they blame Israel for why there is no one big state where Jews and Palestinians live together as brothers in peace ignoring the hate on the Palestinian side and that their ideology is to liberate all of Palestine and expel or even kill all the Jews.
History is as grim as it was in those times, the first half of the 20th century. In many wars at that time many ppl moved and fled in those terrible days. Israel is not different. It happened all over East and central Europe and Asia.
About Balfour. Don't single out Zionism out of the whole historical context...
look at all the border changes in Europe in the 20th century and the peoples, transfers, etc. Even check how
Texas and California stopped being part of Mexico. :-)
Independence, population transfer, and violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India#Independence,_population_transfer,_and_violence …
Flight and expulsion of Germans (1944–50)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%9350)
Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries …
DON'T PLAY NAIVE BY LOOKING AT THIS OUTSIDE GENERAL CONTEXT.
That's what's cunning. History is cruel and brutal, everywhere. They are singling out the Jews, ignoring others and
context of things. That's playing naive antisemitism....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer …
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union …
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_population_transfers_(1944%E2%80%931946) …
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi%E2%80%93Soviet_population_transfers …
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/forced-population-transfers.htm …
This is what happened in Europe with 25 states and many in Asia and nowhere are countries trying to reverse History
This is the only thing they all agree about. They live in 1948, they want to reverse history. In other places where land changed hands and population moved after WW2 ( and also after WW1) it was forgotten . Not the Palestinians. They never look to the future, just to reverse the past
Bosnia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_War#/media/File:Ethnic_makeup_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina_before_and_after_the_war.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_cleansing_campaigns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viaK3c0QYvc
In May 2018, Hezbollah leader Nasrallah said that after the "liberation of Palestine" , all of it, genocide would not be carried out against the Jews, but that "only" they would be required to leave Palestine and return to the countries from which they or their parents or grandparents came from. Only indigenous Jews of Palestine" will be allowed to remain. In the common meaning of this phrase in the arab political talk, it refers to descendants of Jews whose fathers were in Palestine before 1882, the year of "the beginning of the Zionist invasion." This is about 1% of the Jews in Israel. All the rest would be expelled. He also said that The proposal to leave is given to you in the language I propose to you to leave, and if you do not leave, there will soon be an apocalyptic war at the end of which "we will pray in "Jerusalem.If you read the manipulative language closely, the double talk you realize that the "promise' we will not Genocide all the Jews, is
only if they leave in their own will before the apocalyptic war.
https://www.quora.com/Why-were-the-Palestinians-who-fled-the-fighting-during-the-1948-war-not-allowed-to-return-to-their-homes-afterwards-Would-doing-so-have-prevented-the-Palestinian-refugee-issue-we-see-today
TDLR: Because it was a war, and Israelis are not saints, but human beings. They knew it was killed or be killed, and were not magnanimous in victory. And no, the refugee issue is artificially maintained.
The Palestinians who fled were viewed as the enemy, and there was little compassion for them.
"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades." Azzam Pasha, Secretary General of the Arab League. May 15, 1947 BBC broadcast. Myths and Facts: A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict: Mitchell G. Bard: 9780971294516: Online Shopping for Electronics, Apparel, Computers, Books, DVDs & more: Books
I mean, when one side promises a war of extermination and a momentous massacre if they win, do they really expect to be welcomed back if they lost?
The "colonial state"-
a.
toward the end of the 19 century, in light of the rise of nationalism in all of Europe and the terrible persecution of the Jews in Eastern Euope rose the movement of Zionism, which claims that the Jews should have their own state in their historic home during the days of the bible.
This movement didn't gain much support among the Jews or much success until after WWI when the persecution increased and Western nations like us and GB closed their border but after 1917, the Balfour Declaration Israel was the only place to escape.
And so many desperate Jews escaped there.
Very understandably the local Palestinians oppose this.
It's a tragic conflict of two opposing narratives.
b.
You can not reverse history.
Many millions after WW2 became refugees, and land transferred between countries.
Israel today is a country, home of 6.7 million Jews, most of whom were born there after 1948.
c.
In light of the hate and the unwillingness of the Arabs to live in peace with the Jews 'the only fair solution is the two states' solution based on the 1967 borders with minor changes as agreed in the negotiations.Anything else is a guarantee for more than 100 years of terrible bloodshed on both sides.
This is a tragic conflict where both sides have a legitimate claim and both sides are guilty of not recognizing the other side's rights and the need to compromise.
d.
If the solution now is that Israel should cease to exist and all the Jews must leave than also all the Europeans in north and south Amrica, Australia, NZ ext should leave.
The fault for not achieving the compromise is not just on the Israeli side, there is terrible extremism on the Palestinian side and horrific acts of terror against Jewish civilians. They say they will fight until not one Jew is left.
Palestine will be a super ethnic state, It must be since this is their culture and beliefs.
So don't apply double standards... Any attempt to build a non-ethnic state for Jews and Palestinians together will end in a second Belfast or even a second bSyria or Bosnia.
. Distinguish between utopian desires and reality. Don't apply double standards.
article about Camp David.
The Arabs of Israel live well. The 1948 war was like all wars fought by nations, Most states are ethnostate. Arab and Muslim societies in particular.
